If you have never listened to a podcast online before, you absolutely must listen to the one that we had last night with Green Party Presidential Candidate, Cynthia McKinney.
(see our podcast widget on the right)
Cynthia covered a wide range of political issues that have been purposefully removed from the public's discourse by America's two major parties.
Unfortunately, many of those issues are critical to the well being of the poor and the less powerful. Major cornerstones of democracy, such as the free press, are under fire -- but you hear nary a word about it from our major parties.
I really have to listen to the podcast several times to really digest everything that was said, but my major takeaways were as follows:
- Many of us need to stop trippin and trying to play 'the gambling political numbers' game. We need to vote our conscience on the issues, period. Many Americans do not vote their moral own code -- we make unnecessary concessions. We do it because underneath it all, we don't believe that we can really get what we want. However, the people in power do not have such beliefs... they go after what they want, and they get it.
- Black women need to take our seat at the table, by any legal means necessary. We need to run for office, point blank period. We must stop looking for leadership from people who do not reflect our values. We would not have the arguments with the civil rights industrial complex or the feminist movement if we had not conceded our seat at the table to others.
- The Democrats are not interested in restoring the civil liberties that have been stripped away from the American people in the past eight years. Hold on to your hats, y'all. That CAN'T be a good sign.
My apologies to those who patiently waited on the phone and never got through. The switchboard jammed due to the high call volume, and we couldn't get it back up and running properly. I had really hoped to let everyone get the chance to comment or ask their questions on the show.
What are your thoughts on Ms. McKinney's statements? Is there anything that you disagreed with? Do you think that a mass "defection" to the Green Party would assist disenchanted black women, or would it be a catastrophic mistake?
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Amazing podcast, Shecodes. I caught the first 45 min but then got kicked off and couldn't get back on.
I'm one of the few people who don't know that much about the Green Party, but my curiosity has been raised. I will continue to look into it.
I agree! I know very little about the green party, and I'm piqued to learn more. What I liked most about the conversation is that Ms. McKinney does not shy away from anything, and that she had some tangible solutions to some current problems. And some of the stats she gave in regards to the income and housing gap...OMGoodness, horrible! But that is not what the forerunners in this election are talking about.
Thanks again Shecodes and Attorneymom for last nights show!
Ms. Cynthia McKinney definitely has my vote. Thanks for putting her on blast!
We would not have the arguments with the civil rights industrial complex or the feminist movement if we had not conceded our seat at the table to others.
^ that’s the truth right there.
I think the thing that impressed me the most about her was her genuine belief in the public policy process and repeated assertion to vote your values. I was impressed that she wasn’t as jaded by the political process as one would imagine. I think she’s a much more genuine third party candidate than someone like Ralph Nader, who IMO is more interested in ideology than serving people. I get the sense from her that she has a genuine interest in public service and is not interested in just advancing a political agenda.
I particularly appreciated her answer re: environmentally friendly communities, because she’s right - it all about values. People have this misguided impression that development in our communities is all a reflection of individual decisions and the private market, but that’s completely false. It is really is the reflection of public policy decisions and the values we have (or don’t have). That’s an issue I care deeply about and would have loved to hear more of her thoughts on that. I was also interested in hearing her addressing urban issues – infrastructure, transportation, gentrification, public safety etc. because these issues have been almost completely left out of this election. You would think the only people voting in this country are those that loss factory jobs, go to church or own guns.
I also appreciate her response re: cutting off federal funding to police departments that violate human rights. Never heard of that idea before but that’s certainly a repercussion that has consequences. Not sure how much of a deterrent it would be since these departments have no problem paying all these civil lawsuits, but it’s a start.
Thank you so much. Saw your comment on the Electronic Village.
I have a tremendous amount of respect for Ms. McKinney. Her heritage is rooted in the struggle for real equality.
If you don't know about her father's story, I highly recommend you reading it.
What I respect the most about Cynthia is that she refuses to speak as if we are dumb and unable to handle the truth. She is an unwavering power house for all Americans.
I've also seen a documentary of her on the campaign trail in Georgia and was honored by her natural presence. She does not alter herself to play the political game, she realizes this ain't no game.
I know that there is a huge people potential that isn't being accessed. If black woman would stretch their political views to include McKinney can you image the result.
I have a ton of respect for Obama supporters that I know but I feel he stops short, purposively, to play the game.
Some think that we can't stop playing and have to adapt to the reality of this political game, polls, and completely ignoring scary, realities of our situation in regards to voting, taxes, foreign policy, September 11th, our relationship and responsibility to the world community, racism, police brutality, food safety and so much more.
If we ignore these scary realities we cannot find solutions.
I know I would be struck awed by speaking to Cynthia.
Thank you so much for the experience.
I haven't listened to the iTunes download of the podcast yet, but I'm looking forward to hearing the interview.
I think a mass defection to any viable 3rd party would be great. [I don't know much about the Green Party, except that what I've read of their platforms in the past were the ones most aligned with my core values.]
Anything would be an improvement over the status quo---Black folks choosing between staying home & not voting and begging the Democratic party to respond to our concerns. And due to their rabid anti-Black positions, the Republican party is not a viable alternative.
I'm amazed that 20-odd years after "Run, Jesse, Run!" we're still struggling to make the Democratic party respond to our needs. There was some talk of forming a 3rd party---a proposed "Harold Washington Party" in Chicago years ago. Meanwhile, there are other groups [Cubans in Florida, and Mormons in Utah] who get what they want regardless of which party is ascendant. I guess that's the power of not having all of one's eggs in one basket.
Peace, blessings & solidarity.
It was an intense and exhausting [in a good way] podcast. THANK YOU!!! It gave me some detailed information about how so many of our elected officials have intentionally sold us down the river, but also how easy it is to take out the few voices of dissent. We need a people-powered gov't where people put their sweat, tears and blood into it. The more people who are active the more difficult it will be to compromise them. This is the time to do it. Things have to fall apart sometimes in order for people to wake up. I think there are enough of us out there to affect change no matter how long of a struggle it may take. Scratch that - I don't actually think it will take that long I think we need to join forces for a concentrated effort.
hi Shecodes and all-
the podcast last night was AMAZING! i love Cynthia McKinney. she restored my faith in the political system. each generation has those that stand up and tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may. she and others like her encourage, inform, and mandate my journey.
Shecodes you said:
"Black women need to take our seat at the table, by any legal means necessary"
i agree wholeheartedly with that statement. "legal" doesn't need to be in that sentence for me though. here is why:
those that have power...define.
those that define determine what is legal and what is not. history is littered with those that courageously agitate for justice and humanity, illegally, and go to jail and early graves for it. since it was "illegal" for me to possess myself in this great "democracy" white folks can keep their laws. under whose authority should i allow them to govern away my humanity and responsibility to it. the legal system is a fraud. always has been. the refusal to acknowledge this is a part of the problem. we just learned recently it is "legal" to lock and load and reload on unarmed citizens. in fact the police is to serve and protect the white supremacy establishment that the courts enforce. Shecodes, no cussing, with a few cuss words though, i could really break down what i think about white folks and their jacked up laws and the scary slaves that shuck, jive, buckdance, headscratch, and confuse those simple people that think because they see black, brown and yellow skinned executors it ain't white supremacy. you know, i have to add a Khadija hmmph to that last statement. hmmmph! ok, i just cracked me up. i am dead serious though.
in light of the fact that lawmakers make laws they refuse to abide by, and there a gang of cases that support my assertion---it is sheer lunacy to abide in laws that are set up for your destruction. black folks' refusal to get this has only been to our continued destruction and detriment. it is for this reason, i don't think i can run for office. i don't do lullabies. i do wake up! salts. i will support those that make you want to hug them while they get it right. you have this gift as does Queen McKinney. the fact that the black feminists haven't pulled it in to support support support her---speak volumes. she head and shoulder more qualified than the other "historical" candidates.
there is an amazing article by Greg Palast, who needed to relocate in order to be free to tell it (good white folk to me, see i give them props when warranted. i hate no one, really! injustice, i hate more than a little. i am not sorry) where he talks about illegally taking cameras into china to document the human rights violations china (and america) love to commit.
he writes about a monk that i stand in solidarity with and will emulate at every given opportunity:
"These photos made it out. These are the “rioters” and “splitists,” as the Chinese call them, including this monk, who’d just gotten out of prison after 27 years. After we left his mountain hermitage (followed by police), he raised the flag of the rising sun, symbol of Free Tibet – and was sent back to prison"
i get the impression this monk is serious and will be free or die while fighting for it. he could have come out and for a nominal fee sold his people and cause out---black folks love to do this! how in the world do you go to jail for 20+ years, come out, be president(???) and not redistribute the violently seized wealth of your people? folks will flock to see this traitor and never think to ask this question. history informs one must sacrifice to get what one is fighting for. we black women must be as serious and substantially less timid, unapologetic and less well behaved. why do we only want to act a fool with each other? black folks got this affliction bad! we should revamp how we deal with our traitors. treating them like celebrities is not the behavior of a sane people. if interested, the rest of that article complete with pics can be checked out @
Tibet: Olympic Torch-ured @ http://www.gregpalast.com/.
the democrats and the republicans work together! if you think i am playing just write to the democrat and republican reps where you live on pretty much any issue---they will tell you in writing that they are working together despite the concerns of the american people. barbara boxer, dianne feinstein, howard berman did just this on issues like torture, treason, lying to the american public, hijacked american civil liberties, and the need for immediate impeachment and charges of war crimes. how much more evidence does any right minded person need? i promise to God i think there is still mkultra controlling the brains of the comatose sheeples that refuse to free themselves!
ABW has a petition that exemplifies why this "legal" nonsense will have folks all bound up and barely able to breathe. i signed and forwarded that petition. (thanks ABW for making it so easy:-) to do something!) please know that even if laws like these are passed around the country i will purposefully break the rules at every opportunity. a trip to usc recently screams the need for real talk---"poison" packaged as education is warping the brains of our young/future. it is my responsibility as i see it to know the truth and share it. scary slaves and their slavemasters have a responsibility to...get over it! since they seem to love suggesting that so much:-)
ok... i am done with my daily book in the comment section at Shecodes' house. thanks for listening:-) and a great podcast.
blessings,
focusedpurpose
@rashawn: I'm sorry that you got kicked off. Our switchboard couldn't handle the call volume. You can catch the second 45 min on the download -- a few callers were able to ask questions.
@sassy_j: I must admit that I am much more interested in the Green Party now, myself. I definitely think that sisters need to rally around the housing/land wealth gap. My older sister has some amazing strategies to quickly close this gap- I just hope that she's willing to go on the podcast to tell the rest of us about it.
@mari-djata: Giiirl... I was mentally high fiving the whole time -- except for her Jena 6 statements (I found them unworthy of a lot of the support they were getting) I agreed with everything she said.
@iman: You know something, you hit the nail on the head -- I am ashamed to admit that I expected her to be very disillusioned and jaded by the political system, because of the horrible things that were done to her by the press and both the Dems and the Repubs.
Instead, I discovered a beautiful, caring person, someone who I am definitely proud to now call an acquaintance. Cynthia and I have agreed to remain in contact, and to work toward change.
I too, am an environmentalist, and I hope that more of us will see the relationship between our surroundings and our physical, mental, and emotional health. Our food supply is being fooled around with and our choices are being taken away. We can't wait in order to be reactionary about this. It's too important.
@danielle: Welcome! I actually DON'T know her father's full story. Can you give us the broad strokes?
@khadija: The Green Party does reflect the core values of many black americans more closely, including myself. However there is a level of disorganization and strange internal politicking that scare me off from preaching to move to them en masse.
I'm leaning toward starting an independent voting bloc of like minded black women... "free agents" if you will, with very clearly delineated demands. We can discuss amongst ourselves which candidate best address our demands, and agree to vote for that candidate.
At least, until we are able to nurture and send our own candidates to the ballot box.
@faith: Yeah, I WAS exhausted, and Ms McKinney seemed rearing to go longer! I would have kept it going, too, if the switchboard didn't die.
You are right that we all need to join forces. I am hoping that I will be able to open the black women's network to general members by the end of May.
@focusedpurpose: I was so glad to see you in the chat room. I'm beginning to realize that some of you have managed to get into my heart without my permission! :-)
BTW, I added 'legal' to that statement b/c Cynthia was saying that they are starting to monitor activists. I ain't tryna get my phone tapped, LOL.
Let me put it this way: I share your thoughts about the legal system. But some stuff I will say behind closed doors, so that certain paranoid officials don't get all up in my business.
I am SO GLAD that sisters are waking up and realizing that Democrats and Republicans are working together, but not for the public's good.
I honestly can NOT understand how democracy could have been thrown off the bridge, our economy torched, we could enter two wars with barely a WHIMPER from the Democrats in 8 years!!
And we are supposed to TRUST these people's 'better judgement'? I think not!
These are the SAME people who are not lifting a finger to stem the genocides in Darfur and the Congo. These are the same people who live in gated communities while thousands of Americans live in tents in the wake of Katrina.
Girl, don't get me started...
Shecodes-
i feel you. our strength is in our differences. i am snitching! loudly. right in your face. in the light! out in the open. then i will blink prettily and look like...what? death being the one certainty in this life, why not?
i went to a rally where i met activists from the 60's. with the recycled cointelpro now the patriot act for all americans, they were gathered up and prosecuted. imprisoned without that "speedy trial" that r. kelly can't seem to get either. i am feeling fiery today---i would love to break at least one of his knees. ok, i'm back...these men and women were very generous to share their experiences. i also noticed that they very keenly watched behavior. on my blog roll there is a brother in jail that also breaks it down on the talking drum. what i took away was this:
try as one might, if you are working for change and being effective, they will be coming for you. these elders talked about the knock and chats that they endured. honestly, i have been waiting for my knock, thinking, i gotta be more effective!:-) they can't kill us all. if we would stop psyching ourselves out, refuse to be distracted, unite, and go to work---i studied western civilization. suffice it to say, we could really get it started up in here.
they have already built the houses for those that will fight against the new world order. just google them and if one is nearby go look. they are there. i did that and will not be doing it again---i heard helicopters for awhile:-) the next time i see one of those camps i will know i have been more effective:-) then i will strive to be Queen Assata's neighbor:-) ok, this is called being on one.
Shecodes, you are my people sis. i agree with your assessment of Jena 6 also. i have decided that as long as brothers act like sexism is in "my mind"---seriously, in a recent conversation about that term which is really a garden tool that some men think describes women especially black women; this brother had the nerve to say that women, especially sisters, need to stop wearing "the uniform". i decided i am going to get worked up only when it serves my purpose and agenda going forward. otherwise, i feel distracted and pulled in many different directions. when i link arms with others, we will both gain from the partnership. it really doesn't matter who you are, no exceptions, no passes. sisters can march for Jena and be ignored for dunbar village and many other daily atrocities?
also, i am not trying to be calloused or funny---how do you have babies with your woman prior to your wedding and get all "traditional" with strip clubs before the wedding? can someone help me with that? i know he had the right to be there unmurdered, i am just saying...
and just to round out the tangent, while addressing the tendency to blame black women while refusing to ask the obvious of black men--- i like really high heels, especially those with stiletto heels. they were described as "stripper shoes". the uniform!i am not asking for anything other than sore feet, just like black men aren't asking for multiple bullets by showing up black. i promise, sometimes i want to write off whole groups of people. but i won't:-) i am going to listen to immortal technique. he can do the cussing for me.
Shecodes, i need to stay out of your comment section. it is an addiction. obviously. sorry for being a little scattered. it was all kind of related...sortta...ok...not:-(
blessings sis,
focusedpurpose
Here is a candid personal interview of McKinney where she speaks of her father's story as well as her background.
Thank you again.
In light and love
Danielle
i get the impression this monk is serious and will be free or die while fighting for it. he could have come out and for a nominal fee sold his people and cause out---black folks love to do this! how in the world do you go to jail for 20+ years, come out, be president(???) and not redistribute the violently seized wealth of your people? folks will flock to see this traitor and never think to ask this question.
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I'm assuming that you are talking about Nelson Mandela. Do you know, I've never actually thought about that. No lesbo, fp, I'm falling in love with you!
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sisters can march for Jena and be ignored for dunbar village and many other daily atrocities?
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Co-sign!
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also, i am not trying to be calloused or funny---how do you have babies with your woman prior to your wedding and get all "traditional" with strip clubs before the wedding? can someone help me with that? i know he had the right to be there unmurdered, i am just saying...
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Once again, I agree. Another problem here is that his almost-wife (babymomma) would not be entitled to any payments should the family win a civil case. Ye, his daughter would get it, but she would be entitled to absolutely nothing!
"Another problem here is that his almost-wife (babymomma) would not be entitled to any payments should the family win a civil case."
She will have some entitlements due to her child(ren?), but I completely agree with the underlying principle.
Attorneymom and I discussed this point at length this past week, and we had actually agreed to bring it up during Tuesday's podcast, but as everyone knows, the plan has changed.
As with everything else, I am for black women FIRST even in cases like this, and I see it as a cautionary tale for black women out there.
What happened is horrific and must be judged. By the same token, we must get away from the need to deify victims. There is no conflict with being angered by a murder AND pointing out that the choices of the victims are extremely problematic. One is not automatically the cause of the other.
I do not know how a man can claim to love a woman, create children inside of her, and leave her exposed legally for any length of time (medical insurance, death benefits, etc). But many of our folk do this all the time without batting an eye.
This is a cautionary tale to black women. I offer condolences to the family members, but a warning to sisters who are following that path. It doesn't matter that it was on her wedding day -- legally they will say: "close, but no cigar". She can not sue or get remedy for her own loss in that situation.
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I also submit that many (not all) folk are outraged at 'the system', but not really all that angry about the loss of a black life.
If black folk were so concerned about the killing of a black person, we would be equally up in arms and ready to demand justice to the drug dealers who kill black people daily in a hail of bullets.
I do not judge the people who are righteously angry about the Sean Bell case for getting involved, but I want to know why they were MIA when the last 70 black men, women and children were murdered. Where are the tears for them?
I submit that we will never be free until we learn to love ourselves and to value each other more than we hate 'the system'.
Fabulous and informative show - I just finished listening to the discussion. Thank you BWV for all you do. Peace, Ananda
--I submit that we will never be free until we learn to love ourselves and to value each other more than we hate 'the system'.--
This is such a profound statement. We need to put these words someplace where we can read them EVERYDAY.
hi all-
the foundation for my every message is self love, self acceptance, and self respect.
how do we get there?
we must begin with ourselves. truly looking in the mirror and inside our hearts and loving what we see. it is not easy. but then, neither is being a professional, a man, a woman, a child, a dancer, a singer, etc. everything worthwhile requires diligence, discipline, practice and effort. i call this work with self---innerwork. it quite difficult and immensely rewarding. on the other side of it you can see yourself in other people. for me compassion for others has been a direct result of learning to love myself. i see myself in other people, especially black folks.
i have said it before and will say it again---in the absence of this foundation whatever black folks build; we should expect a mess. where there is self hatred, a refusal to accept oneself---all these black folks running around assigning every other color to themselves and working diligently to eurofy their african selves are great examples of this. we are not the only ones doing this; we are the ones i am most concerned with---and no self respect only destruction will ensue. a stroll through history will support this assertion.
i loathe the system because it is designed to destroy black folks and other nonwhite people. the system is fed by the destruction of humanity, worldwide. this is why i think it invalid and wrong.
Shecodes, i agree so much that deifying the victim needs to cease. deifying black male victims and white female victims has been grating on my nerves for awhile. these two groups exercise the same poor judgment and sometimes sheer stupidity that everyone else does and yet there is a mandate that people shut their brains off and go into hailing the god. i was so happy when oprah finally asked the white woman that decided that jogging, at night, in central park, in new york city, by herself was a good idea---how she reached that conclusion.
yes, the bell case is a cautionary tale for black women. when all the men that attached themselves to this case for their agenda are done; these black women will be fortunate to walk away with anything aside from additional wounds.
no babies with men you are not married to. no dates with men you wouldn't marry. ignore what you see on t.v. and what is "trendy"; know that it is not for black women. when you hear folks talk about "women" they aren't talking about black ones. just as "all men are created equal" have nothing to do with black men in this corrupt, fradulent mess.
Jallilimaster, u are my peeps. i kindda cringed with the no lesbo comment, though:-( i have been on my son that says "no homo" when he expresses love to other males. it strikes me as not cool. i know it probably never occurred to you this way.
yes, i was talking about mandela. we must reserve the right to think for ourselves and look for measurable progress with those that hold certain positions. if they can't do what needs to be done for the masses, consistently, they should be taken to task for it. i say consistently on purpose; most black folks are well adjusted to oppression, abuse, and misuse. so if they get stood on with the big stuff and receive little "thanks for playing" consolation prizes---those that get that prizw want all the others that are out to play along. we must stop this. what other nation of people accepts excuses and little jobs rather than real power to be self determined? we work diligently to be like other folks in every other way except those that make sense. black folks will do better when black folks DO better. i mean black folks everywhere. there is a book called shock doctrine where you can read more about mandela and his shenanigans that results in the mass suffering of black folks. folks can believe what they want to about Winnie Mandela---it is she not he that should be celebrated; if you really want to see black africans rise. not a popular position, but then the truth has never been popular. all those speaking it pay hefty prices. we must get our minds right and do it for the children...
"Shecodes, i agree so much that deifying the victim needs to cease. deifying black male victims and white female victims has been grating on my nerves for awhile. these two groups exercise the same poor judgment and sometimes sheer stupidity that everyone else does and yet there is a mandate that people shut their brains off and go into hailing the god. i was so happy when oprah finally asked the white woman that decided that jogging, at night, in central park, in new york city, by herself was a good idea---how she reached that conclusion."
-I question whether or not if the victim (Sean Bell) had been female, it would have gotten such attention. I know it's not really the same seeing as a sister would not have immediately been suspected of carrying a gun, but, it would have been twisted into how she somehow deserved because she was probably 'hoing' herself on her hen night, police mistook her for a druggie stripper, drug mule etc (you know it's not impossible, with the things the media cooks up these days).
"yes, the bell case is a cautionary tale for black women. when all the men that attached themselves to this case for their agenda are done; these black women will be fortunate to walk away with anything aside from additional wounds."
-I don't understand why there are grown women who just can't understand this. I have a sneaking suspicion that any settlement received would cause friction between her and the Bell Family. It usually eventually does. If they had been married, it would have been a sure thing as to who got the money and who decided how/on what it is spent.
"no babies with men you are not married to. no dates with men you wouldn't marry. ignore what you see on t.v. and what is "trendy"; know that it is not for black women. when you hear folks talk about "women" they aren't talking about black ones. just as "all men are created equal" have nothing to do with black men in this corrupt, fradulent mess."
-Whenever I say this, I am called old-fashioned. It seems that many don't understand why a 21 year old would still 'reason' this way. When I hear all these things on t.v, I think to myself, 'if black women go and do these things that they say women should do, no one would make excuses for us should things go wrong, the way they would for these "women"!'
"Jallilimaster, u are my peeps. i kindda cringed with the no lesbo comment, though:-( i have been on my son that says "no homo" when he expresses love to other males. it strikes me as not cool. i know it probably never occurred to you this way."
-Sorry, wasn't my intention. Youthful ignorance. It's just that I always look forward to seeing what you, Shecodes and Khadija post. Once again, I apologise.
"most black folks are well adjusted to oppression, abuse, and misuse. so if they get stood on with the big stuff and receive little "thanks for playing" consolation prizes---those that get that prizw want all the others that are out to play along. we must stop this. what other nation of people accepts excuses and little jobs rather than real power to be self determined? we work diligently to be like other folks in every other way except those that make sense."
-Do you know that after Mandela left office, there was a white S.A. business man who actually opened his mouth to say that blacks should be left to control government, the people who really have the power are controlling the economy and industry (i.e. whites). Since then, no one in government has thought to do something about it.
Sometimes, I even wonder if there really is something wrong with some black folks. How can you be opressed in a country where you are the overwhelming majority? Recently, there was a case of a group of white students at a predominantly white uni (I think it was Vanderbilt), who filmed themselves racially abusing some blck staff, even making thm drink urine. What was black south africans reaction? Protest. These people where on the streets moaning that these white people should stop being racist to them. S.A is approximately 80% black. The rest are comprised of whites, and what they call 'coloureds'. Yet blacks still face gross discrimination in the job market, schools etc. President Thabo Mbeki, some years ago, criticised some racist practices and attitudes present in the media. Can you believe that journalists, many of them black, who have constantly been on the receiving end of said racism, actually criticised him for 'over-exaggerating'. I just don'y get these people.
"there is a book called shock doctrine where you can read more about mandela and his shenanigans that results in the mass suffering of black folks. folks can believe what they want to about Winnie Mandela---it is she not he that should be celebrated; if you really want to see black africans rise. not a popular position, but then the truth has never been popular. all those speaking it pay hefty prices. we must get our minds right and do it for the children..."
This is the first I've heard of this book. I always suspected that Winnie was unfairly villified, but I usually kept quiet, as most people deify Mandela, so defending her was, for some reason, seen by some as attacking him. Can you please give me some extra details about the whole thing(Mandela, the truth about Winnie, main gist of the book). Thanx
Have been researching a bit on the Shock Doctrine book. So far, have found a few short films and interviews with Naomi Klein. Have to read the whole book though.
Please allow me to clarify something. Sean Bell and Nichole Paultre were asked to postpone their marriage by their pastor. He wanted to counsel them first. After the shooting he expressed regret for making them wait. I just wanted people to understand that Sean Bell didn't die shirking his responsibilities.
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